and making us who we are. there are people that look like me, that live where i live, and who are now dealing with situations and struggles that i never have seen. i've never seen the inside of a jail. i can't tell you what a gun looks like. i don't know what drugs or even alcohol looks like. and i have to give all that credit to my dad along with my mom, and they put the fear of god in us. you know, you have to work hard, you have to look people in the eye. >> moyers: tell me about keith. >> he has gone far. he's beyond our expectations. but keith has told me a lot of times, "mom, i don't want to be like you and dad." >> moyers: meaning? >> bill, when it's time to eat, they want to eat. they don't want to do like dad and i and start, you know, saying... making excuses why you're not hungry. we're gonna keep filling the racks. go by color, not by size. >> i'm inspired by my parents, but that's also made me make a lot of tough decisions where i say, "i'm not going to make those decisions because i don't want th